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Sybians for sale or hire => Used Sybians => Topic started by: Sammydc12141412 on March 25, 2020, 07:34:36 PM

Title: WTS Sybian $475 +shipping DC area
Post by: Sammydc12141412 on March 25, 2020, 07:34:36 PM
For sale barely used black Sybian with matching bench.
Pictures available and will be shipped upon receiving payment. Shipping cost varies depending on where it is shipped.
Tax Sale.
$475 Firm!  Excellent condition
[email protected]
Title: Re: WTS Sybian $475 +shipping DC area
Post by: ronron77 on March 27, 2020, 02:48:36 AM
I'm interested, please send pics
Title: Re: WTS Sybian $475 +shipping DC area
Post by: Sammydc12141412 on March 28, 2020, 04:00:23 PM
Sure email me [email protected]
Title: Re: WTS Sybian $475 +shipping DC area
Post by: skeems4667 on April 04, 2020, 12:12:58 AM
Do you use pay pal?
Title: Re: WTS Sybian $475 +shipping DC area
Post by: angdom on April 07, 2020, 09:31:24 PM
Can you tell me if this has been sold.  Thank you in advance
Title: Re: WTS Sybian $475 +shipping DC area
Post by: camaro01octane on April 09, 2020, 01:16:01 AM
I sent 485 monday, I got one email stating they will ship it out but havent heard back from them.......
Title: Re: WTS Sybian $475 +shipping DC area
Post by: subguy66 on April 09, 2020, 03:34:32 PM
well I sent like 550 w/ship to them last week and as of last Thursday 2nd I have heard nothing.
I am now suspecting this is a fraudulent scam and will be take the correct actions around it
Title: Re: WTS Sybian $475 +shipping DC area
Post by: camaro01octane on April 09, 2020, 10:00:27 PM
Definately fraud.... She told me it wasnt sold yet, and sent me email of the toy in action... I will never buy a toy again online bc of this..... I hope they catch the coronavirus and have no toilet paper....
Title: Re: WTS Sybian $475 +shipping DC area
Post by: siasil on April 10, 2020, 01:37:53 PM
Definitely fraud. I'm guilty of falling for it too! They were very convincing. I had concerns because there were lots of red flags. Things like they only wanted to payment via cash apps. They were negotiable on the price(It was already too low). They said they had their money frozen in paypal and could not use it because of that(typically happens when there is suspicious activity). They said they lost their job due to COVID-19 and needed the money (Played on emotions and general kindness).

If you are going to purchase a machine, do it through a provider where you have purchase protection, or buy it in person. Paypal offers purchase protection if you pay for a service/purchase, but not if sending money to friends and family! Cash applications like Zelle and Venmo DO NOT offer any protection! They are just money transfer services.

Suggestions to avoid Fraud:
Pay via Paypal or other services where you have purchase protection. (Inquire about conditions where your purchase will be protected to meet the guidelines!)
Pay using a VISA/MasterCard/Other CC where you have backup purchase protection!
DO NOT PAY with Google Pay, Zelle, Venmo or PayPal (money transfer to friends), other cash apps where you are sending money directly.

READ BELOW, PAYPAL MAY NOT HAVE PROTECTION!!!!!!

Ask lots of questions before you buy. Make sure there are no red flags and buyer beware!
Title: Re: WTS Sybian $475 +shipping DC area
Post by: subguy66 on April 10, 2020, 01:49:00 PM
I don't do a lot of these type of online transactions - lesson learned.

PP was Not very helpful or they could have been more helpful. They did not confirm or denied the contact info I have for this seller.
but seemed to indicate that the info might be helpful for my CC company.

I've started actions with my credit card company - and currently waiting on their recommended next steps - But

Likely next will be the police to log the case
Also this Gov Fraud site was recommended
https://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx

There are honest an forth right folks out there... so I'll just be much more cautious

Title: Re: WTS Sybian $475 +shipping DC area
Post by: siasil on April 10, 2020, 02:01:49 PM
I thought PayPal had purchase protection, but apparently not! Below is what their Acceptable Use Policy says. This means there are no promises that they will reimburse for your purchase. They can always fall back on this disclaimer and not refund! Will have to research some escrow services to see what would be acceptable for this type of online purchase in the future.

Prohibited Activities
You may not use the PayPal service for activities that:
violate any law, statute, ordinance or regulation.
relate to transactions involving (a) narcotics, steroids, ....... (i) certain sexually oriented materials or services, ........
Title: Re: WTS Sybian $475 +shipping DC area
Post by: subguy66 on April 10, 2020, 03:48:39 PM
PP - Depends on How the transaction was done.
I made the error in using the Person option - so PP has no protection etc...
I only have the Person or Business - and as this was a person I selected that - mistake

Also there something about transaction for an Item or other which offers some protection - etc. I do not have the details have not read up.

I do not know yet what the background between my CC company and PP will be - I suspect they will have more detailed information discussions etc around the seller then PP is allow say to the "buyer"
we'll see - they may very well come back and and say so sorry...
Again next steps likely will take place

I did a transaction months ago for used ET312 - person was selling for 1/2 price of new - but the Transaction went via site (not ebay - but sort of) so there was some protection etc. via the site..
Title: Re: WTS Sybian $475 +shipping DC area
Post by: siasil on April 10, 2020, 04:55:09 PM
The paypal rules say that you must pay for a service or product. They have lots of exclusions like they do not offer protection if you pickup in person either. The details can be found here: https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/paypal-safety-and-security

There are a bunch of exclusions as you can see below.

What’s not covered with PayPal Purchase Protection
Real estate
Motorized vehicles
Custom-made goods that are significantly not as described
Industrial machinery
Prepaid cards
Items that violate our policies (This is the acceptable use I referenced above)
Anything bought in person (not over the internet)
Send Money transactions to friends or family
Disputes filed more than 180 days after the purchase for item not received and significantly not as described claims
Unauthorized transaction claims reported more than 60 days after the transaction date of the transaction
Items that were described accurately by the seller
Donations including payments on crowdfunding platforms
Title: Re: WTS Sybian $475 +shipping DC area
Post by: camaro01octane on April 11, 2020, 03:21:54 AM
Luckily Chase Bank credited me the money back since it was fraud. I paid thru cash app...It seems like she got  more people. After my bank contacted her and took back money she responded saying she won't bore me with details that she is going thru stuff and will recredit my account next week .... yea right... I love chase bank
Title: Re: WTS Sybian $475 +shipping DC area
Post by: subguy66 on April 22, 2020, 11:36:00 PM
Citi also credit my account back. but still...
to Date I also additionally have filed a Police report/complaint with both my local department and the one in her town.
It's the principal of it...